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>> we will not be intimidated, and we will not live in fear. plus the intense debate in washington over accepting syrian refugees. >> apparently they're scared of widows and orphans. >> if you just get one or two or three wrong, you've got a big problem. we'll talk with republican presidential candidate senator marco rubio about what he would do if h were commander in chief. then conservative radio talk show host rush limbaugh in a rare television interview. it's a ox news sunday" exclusive interview. and the first "fox news sunday" international poll since the attack in paris. our sunday group weighs in on how the focus on security will reshape the presidential race. and "powerr player of the week." >> i talked about how i would tell my family.
sunday." and hello again from fofo news in washingtoto a week after the paris terror attacks, the still radio el mains eye high alert. in belgium, they@raised the terror alert in the capital of brussels to its highght level, warning of an imminent threat. in malli, security forces are reportedly hunting for more than three suspects in the deadly hotel attack. greg kalkot is live in paris. greg? >> authorities in brussels are now saying they are worried about a paris-style terror & attack there. that is why, for the second day running, the belgians capital is on lockdown. troops and armored vehicles are out in force. the city's subways, malls and other places are off-limits, definitely related to the
ongoing search for the eighth attacker in the paris terrorist salah abdellsmsm, and is described, in the former french colony in malli, authorities are seeking the suspects in the hotel attack. an al qaeda-linked group inn the region has claimed responsibility. several were sill, including anita datar, mother of an 8-year-old son. finnly back here in france, authorities remain on a wartime footing. in the past week, they have launched close to 1,000 anti-terror raids nationwide, have detained over 100 suspects and have seen some 200 weapons. this wewek, french president hollande meets with president obama in wavlgt.
moscow as wells leader of eu countries and all this saiai to bolster a coalition-fighting isis. >> greg palkot, thanks for that. the first fox news national poll since the terror attack shows how that that is reshaped the race since early november november. donald trump has widened his lead, but marco rubio and ted cruz are also on rise, threatening to overtake a slumping ben carson s rubio tops the candidates as to who is honest and trustworthy, just above ben carson, and when it comes to how gop candidates run against clinton, rubio does the best. joining me from the camign trail is the reblican playing the hottest hand,d, senator marco
rubio. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you. thanks for having me back. >> i know that you have a plan for how to fight isis. i want to put it up on the screen. you say expand a a strikes, embed u.s. forces, oust al assad, and provide arms directly to sunni and kurdish forces, but senator, i want to ask you another spspific question. in addition to that, would you also commit uss combat troops on the ground to fighting isis? >> well, one of the graphs that's missing in that plan is we need a ground force that arab-sunnis. they have to be defeated by arab sunnis themselves. there would have to be american operators embedded alongside them the special operators are combat troops.
or 50,000 armed soldiers, but we are talking about a significant force with specific missions that will have to be embedded that this president and the united states must put together if we are to defeat isis on the ground. it's the only way to do it. they have to be defeated by a ground force and have to be made up primarily of sunnis. >> ssclearly one of the foreign policy hawks in the current field, but some of your opponents note that back in 2013, when bashar al assad, the syrian dictator used chemical weapons, crossed the red line andd used chemical weapons against his own people, you voted against the use of force allowing president obama to use force against assad. why is that, sir? now. no one is calling for those now. i thought number one, it would be counterproductive, especially the way many the president was
we you should only take military action if you have a clear objective and providing the resources necessary to win. i offered an alternative. i clearly outlined what we should be doing instead, including increased sanctions against institutions that are propping up assad, and -- to topple assad, but also to ensure novak consusues were being created for groups like isis and others to take hold. i felt that air strikes, and i still do, against assad at the time would have been counterproductive. he would have survived, would have remained in power and strengthsened his hand, that he had taken on the united states and still held on. in fact may have rallied some to his side as a result of such a strike. those are the reasons i thought that should not have been the appropriate response at the time. if military response is the appropriate response,ly support it. in the case of isis, i -- it is
the appropriate response, but no one is calling on air strikes on assad now, and i thought it was wrong then, too. >> the specific i iue was the president had set the red line, and a lot of people thought it hurt u.s. credibility not to follow up on his promise and authorize the use of force. here was the reasoning back in 2013,sir. >> i have never supported the use of u.s. military force in this conflict, and i still don't. i remain unconvinced that the work. >> and some question the fact that is in voting against authorizing force you were voting along with rand paul, who you now call a committed isolationist. >> well, but for very different reasons. senator paul doesn't want us not to conduct air strikes. anything. >> i arced that the red line being crossed should have meant the u.s. should have openland and i can't luv i engaged in identified non-jihadist elements on the ground that were trying
to topple assad and empower them not just to topple assad, but to govern the country in its aftermath. the response even before the president laid out the red line. oncf he used chemical weapons, i thought that for sure would have triggered that response. now russia has moved into the region and they radical jihadists have taken the advantage that was left behind. so it is true we had the same vote, butut for very different reasons. i called for us to do other things indeed and senator paul and others said for us not to do anything at all. we've seen the result of that. >> senator, let's turn tm what's become a very hot issue this last week. ththt's the question of what to do about t t syrian refugees. you've put out a pretty form line. you say you want to block the admittance of any syrian refugees, because f fankly you don't feel we have the database to vet them properly. does that mean you will vote
in the house overwhelmingly which would allow syrian ref jeans into the cououry but under tightened security. >> my argument is we can't allow anyone into this country that we cannot vet. a 5-year-old orphan, a 90-year-old wiwiow, and well-known chaldean priest, you can clearly vet them. bb what aboutt someone who does not fit that profile. there is no government institution in their home country we can call up and run them against. we cannot vet most of these people. the house bill i think is ann appropriate response. >> the house bill isn't going to create the databases that you say aren't there. >> the house bill will require both of direct ovr of the fbi and of homeland security to personally certify each person being admitted has been fully
they're not going to be terrorists. they won't be able to do that in most cases. even they will tell you in private conversations and some haveaid it publicly, we do not have the capability today t t fully vet peoplpl coming from that region of the world. we just don't have the access to that information to allow us to to do that. >> critics sasa you and all the other republicans are misleading the american people about how detail the vetting process is. they note that the u.n. in and out checks syrian refugees in refugee camps in the region for 4 to 10 months, then u.s. officials pick up the vetten, and screen them for 18 to 24 months, and they say giving how easy it is for those refugees to get into europe, why would an isis operative wait three year to try to get into the u.s.? >> well, that question answers itself. the united states is the
if isis is ability to conduct a successfu operation in u.s. or eveve canada for that matter, it would be an enormous bonanza of funding, but also recruits from all over the world, and continue to grow their movement. the second point is it's not that the vetting is not extensive. it isis it's that the databases don't exist. you're compares them to information that you have acquired. in the have even less information about peoeole coming from syria thth we did with the iraqi refugees after the aftermath of that war. it's not that the vetting doesn't happen. the vetting does not very reliable data to comparar it agagast. that's the problem. let me switch subjects, which is your rising standing in the polls, as we pointed out in the latest fox news national poll you're in and out tied for
just in month. in iowa the clear politics average has you third at 12.8%. in new hampshire you're running second to donald trump at 12.3%, and senator, yououave a new ad out which focuses on the fight against isis. here's a clip. >> these are radical terrorists
who want to kill us, because we let women drive, becausewe let girls go to skierchool. i'm marco rubio, i approve this messae. there@ can be no arrange. either they we or we do. >> >> is it give you a boost with voters as they focus more on choosing a commander in chief with all of these terror attacks? >> on these polls you want good news, t bad nns, but we've not gotten too excited or
they're going to fluctuate. as far as national security, let me say i obviouslyly am not happy about the events from last week, but it's a positive development that it suddenly has forced americans to confront more carefully the issue of national security. it is the momo important function o o the federal government. i hope we focus on that more. because the world has become a very dangerous place. it's the chinese military build up, russian aggression, noirk's dozens of nuclear warheads, iran's desire to -- these are all very real risks and we are eviscerating or capabilities at a time when the world is growing more dangerous. i'm glad we're focusing on national security, and i feel very confident in my position. i want to ask you a couple final quick political questions. you generally stay away from atagging your rivals, but you
went after ted cruz this week for his vote to kill the telephone bulk data collection program, which actually will run out a week from today. what do you think that vote says about ted cruz? >> it's notoing after a ayone personally. this is an important issue. we have a debate within our own party, and there are members of the republican party, including senator cruz and senator paul, that have argued that the government is out there spying on everybody, so we need to gut these programs. that isn't true. if someone in the federal government is spying on an american they should be fired and prosecuted, but these are valuable tools that allow us to learn more about the terrorists than they know about us, and allow them to potential disrupt plots before they're carried out. if you have voted to undermine those programs, we need a debate about that, because it is a very different view of what the government's role should be in our national security. that's a legitimate policy debate. >> absolutely. on the other hand, another legitimate policy debate,
senator cruz has been hammering you in the last few days for your support for comprehensive immigration reform in 2013. here is senator cruz. >> the rubio campaign is trying very, very hard to change the topic of discussion away from marco's longtime support and partnership with chuck schumer and barack obama pushing a massive amnesty plan. >> i have about 30 seconds left. is there something personal between the two of you? >> no, no, this is a policy fference as w wl, except that rther ted cruz himself here. >> he offered an amendment -- >> wait, but he says that was a poison pill to try to kill comprehensive reform. >> that's not accurara. in fact, in september of that year, three months afterwards, he was still tells "new york times" and others how he supported legalizing those that were here illegally. he's changed his position. that's fine, he has a right do that.
he needs to answer a question of what he would do with the people who are here illegally. >> he's the only candidate for the president as this point that refuseseto answer the question. i i've laid out a clear plan forward on that issue. i'm more than happy to continue issue as well. >> and we're happy to have you here to continue that debate. senator rubio, thank you so much for your timeme happy thanksgiving to you and your family, sir. >> happy thanksgiving. thank you. more results on the poll, including what ericans say about the war on isis. later, rush limbauu joins us for a rare television interview. but first or sunday group weighs in on the debate over accepting more syrian refugees. what would you like to ask the panel about how president obama is handling the refugees? justto to facebook or twitter
use your question on the air. we're back now with more from the first fox news poll since the paris attacks. two thirds of registered voters we surveyed say president obama hasn't been aggressive enough in fighting isis. 26% say he's been about right. 83% say he's very or somewhat likely islamic terrorists will try to attack the u.s. soon. two thirds oppose the
10,000 syrian refugees over the next year. it seems like a good time to bring in our sunday group. syndicated columnist, george will. "usa totoay" columnist kirsten powers, michael needham, and fox news political analyst juan williams. george, in the wake of the attacks this week by both isis and europe and apparently an al qaeda affiliate in malli, what are your thoughts about the terror threat and how effectively. >> the bombs go off, the massacre occurs and isis demonstrates an astonishing reach, and the president remains unshakeable in his belief that our national threat is climate change. he promises an intensivesfication,
said it's not contained, it's expanding. yet article v in nato has not been invoked, which indicates the french response, though initially -- would be episodic and fleeting. >> any member of nato can invoke it and says an attack against one is an attack against all. there had been some thought that france would basically call in the cavalry. they have not done that. >> this matters, because isis existsat the sufferance of nato and otherowers in the woror perfectly capableeof sweeping it off the map of the middle east. there's a story in the front page of "new york times" that bids fare to become a real scandal, and that's there's an investigation goioi on of centcom down in tampa mr. intelligence was falsified to give a rosier view of the campaign against isis. the question in this town qn a couple weeks is what did we not
it, and whose fault was that? >> people are understandably fright under by what's going on, but this wee the head of the fbi james comey tried to reall sure americans. here he is. >> we are not aware of any credible threat here of a paris-type attack and we have seen no connection at all between the paris attackers and the united states. >> kirsten, given the very different obstacles for outsiders like the paris bombers, getting into europe, are we safer than we a a in eurure? >> i thinknk we are safer, but that don't mean we are safe. obviously we know terrorists can get into our couvtry. we have seen it happen. i think in terms of they are viously -- they obviously have the my grant crisis right in front of them. it's not something that's literally crushing against us the way it is against them, but
one thing i would say on them is the manhattan institute has a study out about how in the united states -- i think most of us probably think already, muslim immigrants tend to assilate much better than in europe. that's part of the problem in europe, they are not assimilating s. >> that brings us to the next topic. the debate over how to confront isis quickly morphed this week into a fierce debate over how to handle the syrian refugees, and president obama seemed almost eager to call out republicans. take a look. >> these are the sapme folks oftentimes who suggest they're so tough that just talking to putin or staring down isil or using some additional rhetoric will somehow solve the problems, but apparently they're scared of widows and orphans. >> michael, given in that fox poll we just relelsed, two thirds of americans say they
continued determination to allow up to 10,000 syrian refugees in. the question i have is why dies he seem to eager to have this fight, especially given the fact in the house vote on tightening restrictions on allowing syrian refugees, and 47 broad with the -- >> it's not a good fight for him to have. >> he seemss to wantnt to have it. >> america is an extraordinarily compassionate country. compassion doesn't require being stupid, however,nd going through, make sure that congress isishaving the vetting ocess to allow people in is common sense. in bowling green, where two terrorists came in, they were vetted, it@ turned out they were terroris. the boston bomber, a refugug 17 years ago got radicalized in america. there are valid concerns, making sure we're not letting in an isis terror in that program. and if the president wants that debate, think it's a debate
we're happy to haveve as ted cruz said, he should make some of these claims to people's faces. let's have a debate. we got this on twitter from a fellow calling himself bomb doc. he writes -- so we can't locate 11 million illegal immigrants, but we can vet thousands from the remote regions ofsyria. juan, how do you answer him? dofsn't he have a point? >> i don't think he has a point at all. bomb doc is creating a false equivalent born out of legitimate concerns in the aftermath of paris and 9/11, but what you have to understand is it's being combined with the politics, especially politics that's so antiimmigrant, also to isthe point of being xenophobic.
reality is thousands of people admitted since 9/11, and we've had only the three instances wherepeople have been -- - refugees tied to acc of anything that could be considered terrorism. in fact, the attorney general loretta lynch said we have a robust screening process that's worked. i think it's more robust than anything we have for the tourist or student visas or people who have a passport from france or germany who just come into this country. since 2011, the syrians that have been admititd, half of them are children, a quarter of adults over the age of 60, finger printed, photographed, interviewed boy metrics. i don't think it's anhing to be compared to some mexicans coming over the border looking for a job. >> quickly how do you respond? >> as senator rubio said, in some cases obviously with children it's ease -- it's a
from syrian where we don't have the types of recordsds we've had with iraq or other governments, so a system in place, if you don't have records, not letting them in is comm sense, and that's all that anyone is lling for. we have to take break. we'll see you in a bit. up next, rush limbaugh on the syrian refugee crisis. how does he think the presidential candidates are handling it? you can'n'predict... the mamaet. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your investments
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>> come back and i a look outside the beltway at snow ins on ka loosa, iowa, as the political season heats up just 70 days before the first of the nation's caucuses. love him or hate him, rush limbaugh is the king of conservative radio. he's on close to 600 stations across the country, and a new revere." welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> it's great to be with you, it really is. by the way, everybody who listens to me loves me. there's no hate. >> don't listen to -- >> even the ones o disagree listen. i mean, they're the ones who hate, and they're the ones who need a reason for it each and
every day. i'm happy do provide it. full-serice shop here. i'm juu -- i iinch myself each and every day i have a chance to do it, and it's a thrill to be here with you, as always. thank you for that. i want to start with a new song you played on your show friday, from a group you called barack hussein o, and jihadi singers isis is all right for me eye says has been contained oh yeah isis is just all right with me >> i know it's a pairrody, but i'm sure with a point. >> i think obama's strategy -- beth you've been able to learn and you've looked hard at this,
iran and syria on this. the sectarian violence is his could us for not doing anything about it. iran capitalizes on all of this chaa and crisis.s. chrii look, i don't like saying any of this, but it's obvious obama is sensitive to iran's needs and trying to satisfy them. we have lifted the anction. they're on the way to get a nuclear weapon, all because of into razz hussein o, and i think his dealing with isis is inept, incompetent and nonexistent. >> what would you do? how would you destroy isis? >> well, in the first place, i would -- i would get some people around me and listen to them. i would get some people around me who are experts in dealing with groups like thth. for one thing, i would do, chris, i would hit their oil.
oil tankers. you know why we're not? we have rules of engagement. the administration says some drivers might be civilians and there might be civilians at the oil depots and wells. that'sheir primary source of revue. i wjuld hit that and i wouldn't care. you know, chris, the worr is governed by the aggressive use of force, and the purpose of war and the purpose of militaries is
to kill people and break things. that's how you win. you keep doing that until the other side says i'm sorry, and surrendered. barack obama's number one enemy is the republican party and the corn serve tiff movement. he gets animated, he didn't need cue cards or teleprompters, abo you when you get isis on the board oror anything in the middle east, very cautious, very precise, very don't want to offend them, don't want to make them mad. >> let me pick up on that. >> i think it's dangerous.
i think the country is in more danger than people know. >> let me pick up on that. i know you were struck by the president's news conference in the g-20 summit i turkey on monday, where he seemed to be more upset with republicans who want to limit refugees than he was with the isis terrorists who slaughtered people in paris. here is the president on both of those issues. >> the terrible events in paris were obvious a terrible and sickening setback. when i hear political leaders suggesting there would be a religious test? that's shameful. that's not american. >> rush, what do you think is going on here? >> in that press conference from those sound bites, he also said that he doesn't believe in this slogan earring like providing leadership and winning. the first time i heard him say that was in reference to afghanistan in 2009.
the victory, i think of poor hirohito, he's not serious, chriri there are legitimate questions about what and who he thinking pose threats to this country and who our real enemies are. i'm sorry, the americ people, looking&at the latest polling data, the worsrs marks ever on dealing on terrorism. people are scared. we have refugees coming in, nobody is confident we can vet them. yet we're told don't be a bigot, don't be a ra issist, don't be a xenophobe. we're none of those things. and nobody who is worried is. >> we do have a history in this country for not onon matters of religious persecution, but also people fleeing violence in their country of taking them in as refugees. how would you handle the syrian refugees, rush?
i would put a pause on it right now, and i would again -- i don't profess to be an expert in everything. i'm an expert in a lot of things, but not everything. i would get people to tell me how best to doo this. we paused ref gees being allowed to interthe country in 2011, you know who did it? barack hussein o. there was a six-month pause on iraqi refugees for the very same reason that people are worried today. i have friends who are syrians, i play golf with them. they're great people. this is not about that. it's not about bigotry or racism or anti-ethnics or against certainly nationalities. it's about the defense and protection of the united stat of america and our constitution, which is the primary job of the president of the united states. again, he just doesn't seem to be oriented in that direction or
it's almost as though he think that is we've committed all these crimes since our founding, unjust and imimoral, and it's time for payback to find out what the rest of the world goes there through every day. it's time for us to bite the bulet. it's really troubli. i'm having to bite my lip what i really think. >> well, what do you really think? >> i think we are a great nation at risk in a dangerous world and the people leading the country today don't see that. they see us as the problem, not he solution. they think that we are responsible for some of these problems, they'll fall back and blame george w. bush for what's going on. isis didn't exist when bush left offices. let's do a lightning round. >> oh, lightning round! >> president for 2016. first of all, donald trump. >> uh,,onald trump i think is
he is showing that you do not have to fear attacks from the media. republicans do not have to fear from attacks from the media. you do not h hve to fear being political correct. >> ben carson. >> one of the most decent human beings in this country. one of the finest men. ve met him. the things he has done, places he's come from, one of the most decent -- and i cringe when i see they're trying to destroy him. >> equipped to be president? >> ben carson equipped to be president? um -- probably not at this stage, but any of these republicans running would be better than hillary or better th anything we've got now, so based on that comparison, yes. i would vote for him if it was up to him and hillary, without a doubt. >> ted cruz. >> brilliant, and conservative
through and through. trustworthy, strong, confident, leader, and somebody in whom you can totally depend. >> jeb bush? >> jeb bush, i don't think he really wants to do this. i'm watching, and i don't see passion, i don't see fire. t's as though people in his camp want to do it because they want to be back in power. i don't see him with the energy that i need this, i can't wait to do this. >> finally, hillary clinton. >> i justthink corruption. when i think of the clintons, i think of corruption, skirting 9 edges, don't trust them and certainly don't think the country would be in the best hands possible if eats of them got back in power. finally you have put on the another in your series of children's book. this is called "rush revere and the star-spangled banner" in which you and your talking horse
back to talk to the founding fathers. once again a "new york times" best-seller. this is a passion of yours. >> it is. i never thought i would have children as an audience, but they tap into the imagination, fulfilled children's desires to dream, and they're taken right to these moments in history and parts of them rather an events being recited. they talk to the people in the books, and it's -- it's written for that age group 8 to 10, maybe up to 12, and we're just thrilled and so grateful at the response these books are getting. >> well, look -- >> and i'm grateful for you to mentioning them. >> everybody would like a time-traveling horse. i mean, and named liberty no less. >> that'smart-aleck and talks back, too. my favorite character of the book. anyway, thank you for
book, happy thanksgiving to you and catherine. always good to talk with you, rush. >> thank you, kids. you just watched the fasters 11 minutes in tv. see you next time we do this. >> you bet. we'll bring back the panel and more on the poll of the stakes of the presidential race. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know. okay. uh, do you get your fees back if you're not happy? (dad laughs) wow, you're laughing. that's not the way the world works. well, the world's changing. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management, at charles schwab. jeb bushshleadership means you've got to be all in. it's not about yappin'. it's not about talking. it's about doing. i know how to do this because i was privileged to serve in florida for eight years. and we turned the systems upside down that weren't working. 1.3 million new jobs were created. we cut taxes everyryear.
? breaking political news overnight, an upset in the rate for the governor of louisiana. voters elected john bell edwards of over senator david vitter whorls badly hurt by a 2002 scandal. he's the first democrat voted in in the deep south in 12 years. is week was a chance for former secretary of state and democratic front-runner hillary clinton to display her
foreign policy chops. in our latest fox news poll, clinton maintains her commanding lead, and we're back now with the panel. let's start with clint, who gave a foreign policy speech. in which but didn't give a lot of specifics about how she would actually be tougher. here he is. >> our goal is to defeat and destroy isis. >> kirsten, whatever clinton says, if the world is still a mess from a year from now, won't she be blamed for h h role in the obama foreign policy? >> people are going to try to blame her, but she will say i wasn't actually in charge, barack obama was in charge, and i disagreed with him. as she's said, she disagreed
with him on syria, she would have done things differently, and i think there was a distinct difference beeen her and obama, even if you sayy it's just in tone. it martz how you talk about this. and i think that she's going to try to make it clear that she's very different from him. >> do youhink that secretary of state during the first four years of obama's time in office can really say that i'm a bystander. our that she disagreed. on two matters she is was the main driver. one was the reset with russia, which now has been subsequently busy dismantling a nation in the center of europe. and an illegal unwise intervention by the united states has creaead a failed state in that region.
repeat of 1980, ronald reagan stands on the sage, are you better off than four years ago? in 2016, whoever the
republican nominee will be, will stand on the stage and ask the american people there. is there any place in the world where american power is more respecteddnd where it is world is better off than it was when mrs. clinton became secretary of state? i think it will be a devastating question. >> meanwhile, the republican candidates this week got into a kind of bitting war abououwho canne tougher on the syrian refugees. one against it was the two republican front-runners leading the pack. here they are. >> we shshld have a lot of systems. >> how do you actually get them registered? >> good management. good management procedures. >> if there's a rabid dog running around year neighborhood, you're probably
not going to assume something good about that dog. >> there's some debate where trump did or didn't call for a muss limb data bat. >> i have a question about that. i don't think i'm overstating that the policy is? shambles, shouldn't the republicans want to focus on that? >> absolutely. i think byron york of "the washington examiner" wrote a great piece. bus the purpose will be to put forth the actual plans, the policy that is rise to the occasion that can take the argument to obama and clinton. i think clearly ted cruz and mark marco rubio will be strengthened by this. the debate is, is there any part of this world that's now safer. it will be a major theme and it
can back up the republican december interesting. >> it seems to me the bottom line. the headline is that for all of these controversy atstatements, for all of the new focus, put up the poll. it's awfully interesting. as you can see there, donald trump continues to lead the packet, in fact has widened his lead, in fact by ten points, juan. >> you come to someone like me, i look at polls and talk to political experts, and they're all baffled. nobody understands how trump is doing it. i think on the paris thing, it's's clear he's a strong reassuring voice. he may not have a strategy other than bomb the smithereens out of them. >> that's cleaning it up. >> and then they goes on talking
about the business of industry or closing mosques and people sea what about our rights and religious liberties? >> he once was defined's a republican outlili. i now more and more see him as representing the feeling of economic anxiety, distrust of government, anger at president obama in the republican ranks. he has captured that, and i think he's always finding somebody to blame, whether it's the mexican immigrants or the chinese for their money manipulation, orall street taking jobs away from working-class whites. thihiis the heart of the republican party is at this moment, and i think you have to say the democrats would be happy to run against him. >> it's not the hard of the republican party, but the public. and i think that part of donald trump's attract shun is
he's provided bold leadership. there's other people in the field who have done so. >> i think it is mostly republican, michael. you don't see this kd of anger at the immigrants -- this is playing owl in the republican primary right now. i think that's where it is. >> there's no anger at immigrants or anything el. people feel completely unhappy for those who worked for well-connected insiders. >> i hear that, you don't think that trump is driven by anti-immigrant fervor? >> i think he's driven by people whomp wand bold leadership. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. i have a eling we'll kin this.
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>> i kind of knew being governor of maryland as a republican would be a tough job, i would face all challenges, but i didn't realize cancer would be one of them. >> larry had been governor for five months in june. when he mentioned a lump in his neck. he'll never forget the diagnosis. >> we have soso bad news, you have 50 or 60 tumors throughout your whole body, from your neck to your groin, very advanced cancer that's spread all over. >> when they say that to you, 50, 60 tumumsnd advanced cancer, what did you think? >> i thought about how am i going to tell my family? you know, what's going to be facing me? >> three day later, hogan told the public. >> i was diagnosed with cancer. ready for the poison? we're ready for it. >> the governor and doctors decided to be just as aggressive as cancer. six rounds of chemotherapy,
where each time he would check into the hospitallor five days of around the clock treatment. >> i didn't sleep for five days, because they give you a huge amount of steroids to combat the chemo, so you're wired, and you're wde awake. >> hogan worked t cancer ward like a politics. >> can i come in and say hi? >> talking to other patients, even though his immune system was weakened. i wasn't supposed to, but i was hugging pepele, shaking hands, taking pictures with them. it inspired me. >> as the chemobuilt up in his body, the side effects not much worse. >> i had a full head of white hair, and i lost my eyebrows and my eyelashes. my hands and field started to lose feeling and has nerve damage. >> he also suffered from exhyustion, but he kept doing his job. >> we had meetings in thee conference room in the hospital, meetings in my hospital room
>> as hogan started recovering, doctors let him go out more, like to a baltimore orioles game, where he found a way to engage in a favorite pastime. >> i shook 500 hands for the first time, because ed a batting glove on, now it's 12-hours days. >> do doctors say slow down a bit? >> they keep trying to tell me that, but i don't listen very well. >> hogan is back in the stayshouse doing what he used to do, buthere have been in changes. what is the biggest thing you learned about? >> i teared up a few times with kids, but i'm also pretty tough. >> he found a new mission as an advocate for cancer research and eatment. >> hopefully i'll be done with this soon, as far as my own personal fight, but i'm not going to be done with the cause.